State socialist regimes throughout Eastern Europe suddenly evaporated overnight in 1989. But we know that the collapse of communism wasn’t so sudden at all. It was a long process where officials ditched communism for “liberalism.” This live interview with Tom Junes (Institute for Political Studies of the Polish Academy of Sciences) will focus on one case of this political transition: Poland. What were the political, social, and economic dynamics that resulted in communism’s de-legitimation prior to 1989? What exactly did it mean to trade communism for liberalism? And what does this mean for Poland’s recent “illiberal turn” and the emergence of the populist Right?